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Parenting Culture Clash and Rambunctious Boy VENT

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Submitted by evangelica on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:03 AM

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Any other mommas of “rambunctious boys” wonder if their kid has it rough these days?

I’ve had several experiences lately that represent the chasm between old prevailing parenting attitudes and popular new ones.

1. My dad asking me to spank my DS-7 so he’d sit still for a group photo: I didn’t, just reminded DS of our conversation earlier in the day about being respectful in the pic, and he hopped into place.

2. Today my DS was walking on the platform which supports part of a nature exhibit. I wasn’t worried about him hurting anything or himself, but I thought it was disrespectful, so I asked him to get down. He didn’t and an older woman went up to him, grabbed his arm, and said to me, “Excuse, me, m’am, is this your son? He shouldn’t be walking up here.” She led him down. I said “Yes, I know,” and I thanked her. She apparently wasn’t satisfied with my reaction and reiterated, “He shouldn’t be up there! HORRIBLE!” I thanked her again. Keep in mind, that talking to her meant I couldn’t talk him down at the same time, but a moment later I did get on his level. I think she felt that I either should have prevented it altogether or perhaps got in his face till he was down, I’m not sure…

3. We were at a park which included 2 adjacent sand v-ball courts. Children, mine included, were using one as a sandbox and I was watching them and another child at the playground. Soon some adults started a game in the other sand court. I saw my son sitting near the boundary of their court and went over to tell him to move. Once I started to talk to him, a player looked over and said that my son had been running around in their court. I apologized and started to guide my son away. Next another player added that my son had been a “smart-mouth,” and I apologized again. We left pretty soon after that.

Now I by no means think my son has perfect social skills and behavior. He has many strong points. He is articulate when he wants to communicate. He is often thoughtful and helpful. He has yet a lot to learn. I, too, have much room for improvement as his mother.

BUT I sometimes wonder if some adults have the ability to look at situations from a kid’s point of view. They see a kid in “their” sand court and tell him to get off. The kid says, “Why should I?” and they think he’s being a smart-mouth. Well, he IS sincerely being a smart mouth. He knows the park is for everybody and he doesn’t realize he’s disrupting their game and he is asking an honest question. He wants to join in their fun. I can’t blame them for being annoyed at him or me, since it’s my job to answer my sons questions and intervene when he is disrupting others. I just wonder if adults think when they say, “Get off,” how unreasonable that can sound. I wonder if they know how to talk to kids. It’s not rocket science. How ‘bout “Excuse me, young man, but we are trying to play a game here and you are making it impossible. Could you please get off?”

With the lady at the exhibit, does she always think in terms other than what’s “proper?” Does she ever think pragmatically, “Is he hurting anything?” and does she ever question the obligation she’s obviously assumed to correct other people’s children when they do something that offends her version of propriety? When and from where did she decide what is proper, and does she ever question that?

With my Dad, does he realize how often he reacts instead of responding? Has he ever asked himself why in the world a 7-yr-old boy would want to stop playing to pose with a bunch of people for a stranger with a camera? Does he really think that “because I said so” is enough? (Now, I know the answers for my Dad would be Yes, Yes, and No…he has become more open-minded over the years, but old habits take time to change.)

Anyone else wondering the same things? Feel free to comment, commiserate, or debate. BUT please, no “I feel sorry for your children,” comments…you’d be preaching to the choir! I have my hands full but I haven’t and won’t ever give up! ;)

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RE: Parenting Culture Clash and Rambunctious Boy VENT

by JennyP on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:10 AM

I think it’s hard for little boys to sit still at school and “learn” when they should be up touching and exploring as part of the learning. I think it’s easy for people without children or who have forgotten what it’s like to pass judgement but they don’t have a clue.

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by MEtime on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:21 AM

I struggle with this too. I also have rambunctious boys. Today I had to leave Kohls totally humiliated because they were being so bad.

Before I had kids, I always thought I would just “make” my kids obey. Now that I have kids, I know it’s not that easy.

Kids do not reason (obviously) like an adult does. I find myself defending the kid’s actions to DH too. He is sometimes not understanding of some of the things they do.

At some point though, kids have to be responsive to what adults say, even if they are not a parent or whatever, just because it’s respectful. They don’t always need to know the reason why.

My oldest son always is asking “why” when I tell him to do something. I appreciate his curiousness, but sometimes I just want to say “Because I said so, that’s why.” I wouldn’t do that because that’s the number one thing I hated that my parents said to me, but you know what? They were right. For goodness sakes, do it because I asked you to or someone else asked you too.

Anyway, I’m rambling. I am commiserating, but can also see the other side too!

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by Mrs. C on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:36 AM

I definitley see the connection between the older generation, and today’s parents.

Today, we were at the library. I had a ton of books and videos to check out, and I was holding my 2 year old DD’s hand. My 6 year old DS was standing by the door, pushing the automatic door button as guests came in. I was keeping an eye on him! He was only pushing the button for guests, not just to be simply pressing a button. In his eyes, he was being helpful. Patrons were saying things like “Thank you young man.” Just then, an older employee walks up to him, stoops to eye level and LOUDLY says to him (and to me I’m sure), “You must quit playing with the door, you’ll break it. Go stand by your mother.”

I will say it irritated me! As we walked to the car, I told him while it is nice to hold the door open for someone, next time he should use the automatic opener for only those that don’t have free hands. That is hard for a barely 6 year old to grasp though!

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by VeronicaLynn on Jul 23, 2008 at 12:40 AM

Well today at the grocery store when I was trying to buy ground beef I wanted to strangle this little boy that was yelling and nearly running me over with his mothers’ cart, but I kept my mouth shut. I remember how flustered my mom got when we all had to grocery-shop together (I am the eldest of four) and I also remember how silly my little brothers were, and how terribly BORED I was grocery shopping.


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by evangelica on Jul 23, 2008 at 2:30 PM

Calling other moms of boys!

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by noahsmom on Jul 23, 2008 at 2:38 PM

I am there with you. I think some people forget what it is like to have a young rambunctious boy. Mine is 3 1/2 and very rambunctious. Especially older people whose kids are grown. Yet when I ask my mother what she did about my brother’s tantrums when he was little and her answer is, “I forget. It was too long ago”. One time when my son was throwing a tantrum in K-mart, I took him to the bathroom and spanked his bottom then had my husband take him to the car while I waited in line to pay for my things. The man behind me said, “A good whipping on the butt would solve that problem”. Boy, was I infuriated. I said, “For your information, we just came from the bathroom where I spanked his butt good and as you can see, it only made matters worse, so mind your business”. I am finding myself telling people more and more to just mind their own business!

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by jened2007 on Jul 23, 2008 at 2:42 PM

They had something about this on 60 minutes once. Teachers and others are not letting boys be boys. Yes, they should behave, but part of their behavior is just boy behavior, and while they should be taught to behave appropriately in public, they should also be allowed to be boys. I can’t go into too much detail right now (because one of my boys just pushed my daughter and she’s crying—LOL), but this one really gets my husband going.

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by dboltchi on Jul 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM

I have 4 boys and believe it or not they all have different styles. My 3 year old is nothing like my 13 year old was at his age. So I’ve had to change my way of thinking and everything else to deal with my 3 year old. Is he bad? No. He’s just a total boy 24-7. He likes to run, jump off things, play in the mud, run through puddles and anything else he can do. But he also knows what quiet time is, and how to play quietly with his toys.

It is rough taking kids out to do things like grocery shopping, pictures or eating out. And I cut other parents a lot of slack because I know that at any minute it could be my kid throwing a fit. Now there have been times I’ve had to reign my child in and I’ve only had a woman say something to me once. I was pregnant with my last child, not feeling well and my son wanted to walk and not sit in the buggy at Target. We were talking about this when a woman said she needed to get a cart. (Mind you she didn’t say excuse me) Anyway we moved to the side and I continued to tell my son he had to sit in the cart or we were going to the car. He wasn’t screaming and I wasn’t raising my voice. She very loudly says that she wouldn’t argue with a child. I said, thanks, but I’m not arguing. She just looked at me. I looked back at my son and he asked me to lift him up into the cart. When I did this, she told me I must have bribed him. That was my breaking point. Why would I have to bribe my child into doing something I wanted? I politely asked her if she had kids. She said no, only nieces and nephews. Then with the biggest smile on my face I told her that until she had kids of her own, to leave everyone else alone. I wanted to say more, but bit my tongue.

I think that alot of older people were raised with that don’t talk unless spoken to mentality. But that just doesn’t work for me. I want to interact with my kids, I want them to ask questions (sometimes LOL) and I want them to explore things. But I think in the end it is up to us as parents to set the example we want our children to grow up with. And to me the don’t talk unless spoken to mentality just doesn’t work for me. So I reinvent the parenting wheel as I need to.

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by MsSmith on Jul 23, 2008 at 2:44 PM

ahhh-the joy- i have a son in hands right now so ill have to return to this post but im right there w you!

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Rambunctious Boy VS. Respect

by TheDalaiMama on Jul 23, 2008 at 2:59 PM

I completely disagree with you on a couple of points that you’ve made.

In regard to situation #2: It WAS disrespectful of your child to walk on the platform supporting a nature exhibit, REGARDLESS of whether he was at risk for hurting himself or the exhibit and if he didn’t respond to your request to get down, it is your responsibility as a parent to insure that he does exactly that and not allow someone else the opportunity to do so for you. Nature exhibits are there for the public to enjoy and must be treated with respect.

Regarding situation #3: I was completely appalled when I read this. I do not think that a child should EVER talk to an adult in that fashion and I am at a loss as to why you would justify his response. I think when a child says to an adult, “Why should I?”, he’s not using rationale, but simply testing authority. I would NEVER allow my child to speak to ANY adult like that.

I will say that I agree that there is some outdated parenting advice floating around out there, but there is a reason that certain teachings have lasted throughout the years-they WORK! However, common respect is something I feel that should never be faltered on when rearing children….


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